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Episode Description:

In the second episode of the Women Leading Together series, Julia dives into the competitive world of basketball with Dorothy and Deanna, two remarkable 3X3 referees. They talk about how their partnership thrives on mutual respect, trust, and complementary strengths despite the intense nature of their sport.

Dorothy brings a calm and reflective approach, while Deanna embodies direct and assertive approach to leading. Together, they balance their different approaches to managing high-pressure games with precision and poise. They share insights on how to maintain authority, navigate mistakes with grace, and support each other against external attempts to sow division.

“On the court, it’s me and you against the world,” Deanna reflects, highlighting their unity.

This episode has actionable advice on teamwork, communication, and overcoming stereotypes about how women lead. Listen to this one to discover how the two referees redefine leading with resilience in a challenging and competitive space.

About the Guests

Dorothy

Dorothy Okatch is a FIBA International Referee for both traditional basketball and for 3 x 3 basketball. She got her traditional basketball license in 2014 and her 3×3 license in 2020. Dorothy has officiated various national, regional and international competitions such as the Olympics, World Cups, AfroBasket and the Basketball Africa League.

Deanna Jackson

Deanna Jackson is entering her 14th season as a basketball official. She currently officiates in the NCAA Division 1 Women’s Basketball. She has worked in multiple conference tournaments and two NCAA tournaments. She also represents the USA as a FIBA 3×3 official and officiated in the 2024 Paris Olympics.

About the Host

Julia Middleton

Julia Middleton is the host of the Women Emerging podcast and a best-selling author of “If that’s leading, I’m in” as well as two previous books: “Leading beyond Authority” and “Cultural Intelligence”. She is deeply committed to helping people from all backgrounds to find their own approach to leading.

In 2020, Julia launched Women Emerging and in 2022 she lead an expedition of 24 women to find ‘an approach to leading that resonates with women’. She now leads expeditions with women all over the world based on 4Es methodology, discovered in the first expedition.

Prior to that, Julia was founder and, for over thirty years, Chief Executive of Common Purpose, which grew to become one of the biggest leadership development organisations in the world.
Julia is also an Ambassador for the Aurora Prize based in Armenia, on the boards of Alfanar Venture Philanthropy in the Arab World and Equality Now, which operates globally, and on the Advisory Councils of Fundacao Dom Cabral in Brazil and Synapse in Pakistan.

Born in London and brought up in New York, Julia was educated at French Lycées and graduated from the London School of Economics. She is married, with five children and lots of grandchildren.